Oh, Fandom. You are so very, very crazy!
Jul. 14th, 2009 08:13 pmI've been trying to write more fic for, IDK, three or four days now? But, like many others, I got distracted by wank. So, rather than fight it, I figured I'd just get this out of the way so that I could get back to Misha shenanigans. *pulls on BOFQ boots*
Sometimes I think fandom should come with a guidebook. Plz read the rules before joining the fray. But it doesn't (that I know of) and a lot of people learn in a trial by fire. This is generally not a fun thing.
So, I've been in and around fandom for ten or so years now. I remember the days of yahoo groups and mailing lists. When people would send you feedback in e-mails! And we had to use dial-up to get on the internets! In the snow! BOTH WAYS!!
Anyway, here are some things about fandom I have learned:
BNFs: The mightiest, most fearful and awesome thing in fandom! Or, y'know, fangirls whose names you recognize and are all, "Hey, it's that girl!"
There is a common misconception that BNFs desire to rule fandom with STOMPY BOOTS and IRON FISTS OF BITCHERY. (If you haven't read the Ms Scribe Story, I highly recommend it for the sheer WTFery levels that fandom can reach).
I'm not even going to say that these types of BNFs don't exist. They do. They totally do. There are, in some fandoms, seekrit BNF cabals where they sit around and plot evil deeds in chats and are generally the most vicious and horrible people you could ever have the displeasure of coming across.
The best you can do when you discover these girls is avoid them at all costs. Do not waste your time hating them. It will not affect them in any way. They will continue to be popular and you'll look like a wanker. Also? They're probably super pretty IRL, married with adorable children and lots of money. If you need to tell yourself something, it can be that even with all of that, what they put their energy towards is being hateful on line. Chalk it up to the crazy antics of the universe and move on. Do not let them make your fannish experience miserable by their existence.
THAT BEING SAID, there are many fangirls who are BNFs because they do good art, write amusing/amazing fic and/or meta. Perhaps they joined the fandom on the ground floor and everybody knows who they are because they have been there since the beginning. Also, you recognize all their friends. They rec each other's fic and comment in each other's journal. Sometimes they know each other IRL.
It is very easy to mistake this second type of BNF for the first. They seem cliquey and elitist. But honestly? They are generally not. They're just popular and they've developed friendships outside of what you can see on lj. Some of them are all inclusive and spastic and joyful. Some of the are bitchy and opinionated. Some of them you may like, some of them not so much, but generally speaking, they're not out to rule fandom. It just seems that way because they have an audience.
Here's the thing: You don't have to like everyone in your fandom. There will inevitably be the girl you love and adore and want to draw hearts around who is BFF with the girl you would wish would just FOAD already. There is always that girl. Adore her, ignore her friend. She's super nice and her friend is prolly a RL buddy.
There is another kind of BNF: the one who becomes super-popular super fast, and maybe doesn't realize that now that she is BNF certain things are expected of her. She owes everyone something and gets torn to shreds when she doesn't deliver. (Think JK Rowling vs. Harry/Hermione shippers upon the release of HBP) Generally, these fangirls end up getting burned and locking down tight. Which sucks because they were probably super awesome.
The thing is, fandom creates a very very false sense of intimacy. We share things with the whole of the internet that we might never ever utter to our RL friends. We shower each other with love and adoration and squee about hot boys and ridiculous things, and when it's good, it's the most awesome thing in the world.
Which makes it easy to forget that this isn't a closed community. You don't really know everyone on your fl, and if your journal isn't locked? There's every possibility that there are a ton of lurkers reading what you write, too. And when something like an anonymous hate meme pops up, people who hate you, for whatever reason, will tear you to shreds with absolutely no second thought.
It isn't even worth it to say that these people should be ashamed of themselves. They aren't. Nor is the person who started the meme. And, sadly, with something like that, there is no way of knowing how many people are actually participating. Maybe it's fifteen. Maybe it's three hundred.
But wank is a fandom thing. Hell, it's an internet thing. It just feels more personal in fandom because you consider the people in it your friends. Some of them are, some of them are just crazy. Wank is not fandom specific. There is no non-wanky fandom. "What about fandom X?" you say? Just wait. It'll happen.
The SPN wank is nothing new or revolutionary. It is not even close to the worst I've seen (I'm looking at you SV, HP and Buffy). But the anonymous nature of it spawns some truly vile behavior. At least when we wanked back in the day, our names were attached. The people who are labled wanky now are likely labled so because they, at the very least, own their bullshit. I would that such could be said about everyone. But, whatever.
The best you can do is be aware that fandom takes place on the vast wilds of the internet. Shake off the wank as much as you can and be more careful about who you choose to confide in. "Friends list" is a misnomer. Be aware of this. Don't believe every rumor you hear about the so-called BNFs, but be aware of the ones that have reputations of being backstabbing (which is not the same as being wanky) and tread carefully around them.
Listen to the opinions of people you know and trust and your own interactions with people and disregard anonymous bullshit. Also? If you feel the need to be bitchy about someone (we all do at some time or another, it's okay), do it in a chat with your BFF, or e-mail, even. Maybe not so much in filtered posts. Those have a way of getting out, and next thing you know, you are the new bitchface of fandom.
In conclusion: Fandom can be an awesome and wonderful place. It is a creative community with some truly awesome people hanging around. The best friends I have in my life right now are people I met through fandom and I would not trade them or it for the world.
Unfortunately it sometimes comes with bullshit. Welcome to the internet, fangirls.
Alternate ending-
In conclusion: Cock
Sometimes I think fandom should come with a guidebook. Plz read the rules before joining the fray. But it doesn't (that I know of) and a lot of people learn in a trial by fire. This is generally not a fun thing.
So, I've been in and around fandom for ten or so years now. I remember the days of yahoo groups and mailing lists. When people would send you feedback in e-mails! And we had to use dial-up to get on the internets! In the snow! BOTH WAYS!!
Anyway, here are some things about fandom I have learned:
BNFs: The mightiest, most fearful and awesome thing in fandom! Or, y'know, fangirls whose names you recognize and are all, "Hey, it's that girl!"
There is a common misconception that BNFs desire to rule fandom with STOMPY BOOTS and IRON FISTS OF BITCHERY. (If you haven't read the Ms Scribe Story, I highly recommend it for the sheer WTFery levels that fandom can reach).
I'm not even going to say that these types of BNFs don't exist. They do. They totally do. There are, in some fandoms, seekrit BNF cabals where they sit around and plot evil deeds in chats and are generally the most vicious and horrible people you could ever have the displeasure of coming across.
The best you can do when you discover these girls is avoid them at all costs. Do not waste your time hating them. It will not affect them in any way. They will continue to be popular and you'll look like a wanker. Also? They're probably super pretty IRL, married with adorable children and lots of money. If you need to tell yourself something, it can be that even with all of that, what they put their energy towards is being hateful on line. Chalk it up to the crazy antics of the universe and move on. Do not let them make your fannish experience miserable by their existence.
THAT BEING SAID, there are many fangirls who are BNFs because they do good art, write amusing/amazing fic and/or meta. Perhaps they joined the fandom on the ground floor and everybody knows who they are because they have been there since the beginning. Also, you recognize all their friends. They rec each other's fic and comment in each other's journal. Sometimes they know each other IRL.
It is very easy to mistake this second type of BNF for the first. They seem cliquey and elitist. But honestly? They are generally not. They're just popular and they've developed friendships outside of what you can see on lj. Some of them are all inclusive and spastic and joyful. Some of the are bitchy and opinionated. Some of them you may like, some of them not so much, but generally speaking, they're not out to rule fandom. It just seems that way because they have an audience.
Here's the thing: You don't have to like everyone in your fandom. There will inevitably be the girl you love and adore and want to draw hearts around who is BFF with the girl you would wish would just FOAD already. There is always that girl. Adore her, ignore her friend. She's super nice and her friend is prolly a RL buddy.
There is another kind of BNF: the one who becomes super-popular super fast, and maybe doesn't realize that now that she is BNF certain things are expected of her. She owes everyone something and gets torn to shreds when she doesn't deliver. (Think JK Rowling vs. Harry/Hermione shippers upon the release of HBP) Generally, these fangirls end up getting burned and locking down tight. Which sucks because they were probably super awesome.
The thing is, fandom creates a very very false sense of intimacy. We share things with the whole of the internet that we might never ever utter to our RL friends. We shower each other with love and adoration and squee about hot boys and ridiculous things, and when it's good, it's the most awesome thing in the world.
Which makes it easy to forget that this isn't a closed community. You don't really know everyone on your fl, and if your journal isn't locked? There's every possibility that there are a ton of lurkers reading what you write, too. And when something like an anonymous hate meme pops up, people who hate you, for whatever reason, will tear you to shreds with absolutely no second thought.
It isn't even worth it to say that these people should be ashamed of themselves. They aren't. Nor is the person who started the meme. And, sadly, with something like that, there is no way of knowing how many people are actually participating. Maybe it's fifteen. Maybe it's three hundred.
But wank is a fandom thing. Hell, it's an internet thing. It just feels more personal in fandom because you consider the people in it your friends. Some of them are, some of them are just crazy. Wank is not fandom specific. There is no non-wanky fandom. "What about fandom X?" you say? Just wait. It'll happen.
The SPN wank is nothing new or revolutionary. It is not even close to the worst I've seen (I'm looking at you SV, HP and Buffy). But the anonymous nature of it spawns some truly vile behavior. At least when we wanked back in the day, our names were attached. The people who are labled wanky now are likely labled so because they, at the very least, own their bullshit. I would that such could be said about everyone. But, whatever.
The best you can do is be aware that fandom takes place on the vast wilds of the internet. Shake off the wank as much as you can and be more careful about who you choose to confide in. "Friends list" is a misnomer. Be aware of this. Don't believe every rumor you hear about the so-called BNFs, but be aware of the ones that have reputations of being backstabbing (which is not the same as being wanky) and tread carefully around them.
Listen to the opinions of people you know and trust and your own interactions with people and disregard anonymous bullshit. Also? If you feel the need to be bitchy about someone (we all do at some time or another, it's okay), do it in a chat with your BFF, or e-mail, even. Maybe not so much in filtered posts. Those have a way of getting out, and next thing you know, you are the new bitchface of fandom.
In conclusion: Fandom can be an awesome and wonderful place. It is a creative community with some truly awesome people hanging around. The best friends I have in my life right now are people I met through fandom and I would not trade them or it for the world.
Unfortunately it sometimes comes with bullshit. Welcome to the internet, fangirls.
Alternate ending-
In conclusion: Cock
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Date: 2009-07-16 01:55 am (UTC)Then, too, Misha has goat juice in his eyelashes.
IC: C.
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Date: 2009-07-16 02:01 am (UTC)Misha really made my entire day. He continues to be a source of joy and delight. But really? What is wrong with that guy?
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Date: 2009-07-16 01:58 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-07-16 02:04 am (UTC)Hee!! I was never on ffn! I think mostly because by the time I became aware of it, it already had a reputation for being full of badfic? Or did it not have slash back in the day? IDEK now. Before there was lj, I just read off of show-centric archives (SSA, for example).
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Date: 2009-07-16 02:23 am (UTC)Ok brb wanking you anonymously.
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Date: 2009-07-16 02:30 am (UTC)@@
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Date: 2009-07-16 02:32 am (UTC)Also, my general policy is to completely and utterly ignore stuff like the hatememe. It can be SO SO hard and teeth-grindingly miserable to just not even look, especially if you know your name is on it somewhere, but honestly it is worth it in the end (and my fannish life has so much less agita!). There is NO WAY TO WIN an argument on a hatememe, is the thing. It's a lose-lose proposition for anyone who wades in.
I always figure that hate memes and the like are made for the pure attention-whoring drama of it all; imagine how crushed one of these people would be if they made a hatememe and nobody came!
...it's one of my lifelong dreams, yo.
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Date: 2009-07-16 03:14 am (UTC)Honestly, I know better by now than to look. And yet? Really, I just felt like, these are lessons hard-learned, you know? Wank commandments: Don't go into a thread to defend your friend. This will never end well. Ever. Stuff like that.
imagine how crushed one of these people would be if they made a hatememe and nobody came!
That's the stuff dreams are made of right there!!
It's really a bunch of the same people and cookie-cutter dramas, but inevitably someone gets dumped on by virtue of association or for simply being popular and it's just super shitty. The absolute worst part of our girl culture.
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Date: 2009-07-16 02:37 am (UTC)ETA: Also? They're probably super pretty IRL, married with adorable children and lots of money. If you need to tell yourself something, it can be that even with all of that, what they put their energy towards is being hateful on line.
Dude, I haven't been hateful online in forever! Stop talking about me!!!!!!
*gigglefit*
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Date: 2009-07-16 03:19 am (UTC)Dude, I haven't been hateful online in forever! Stop talking about me!!!!!!
Ahahaha! Never!! ;D I file you in with the wanked for daring to be popular and having to go into lockdown.
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Date: 2009-07-16 03:05 am (UTC)I consider myself lucky that my flist has always been awesome *hugs*
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Date: 2009-07-16 03:22 am (UTC)There are just always those few who apparently never learned to play nice with others.
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Date: 2009-07-16 03:12 am (UTC)Oh, and it sucks that wank ate your Mishafic attempts. The world is much less full without it.
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Date: 2009-07-16 03:25 am (UTC)Amusingly, after ranting, I was able to write again. I guess sometimes you just have to wank? *coughs*
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Date: 2009-07-16 07:32 am (UTC)The truly terrifying thing about the Internet is the gift of anonymity. For once you can flame someone without anyone identifying you - unless they take the time to or you make a mistake while flaming. For once you can admit your deepest darkest secrets and the whole world can laugh at you, sympathize you, or ignore you without knowing who you really are. It can spread any bit of news about you throughout the 'Net in seconds and destroy your real life. And fandom is such a huge force online - it can make or break you, no matter what people say about it.
It's the freakiest thing, a beast no one can truly tame. Sometimes it'll lash back at you when you least expect it, which is what happened to me. But even the most loving and open community harbors people who secretly hate you, which I and a lot of people found out unfortunately time and again.
*sigh*
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Date: 2009-07-16 11:22 am (UTC)I think part of the problem (which may, in fact, need to be a second post) is that fandom has gotten so good at policing itself that any dissenting opinion gets a mighty smackdown. So, you're not allowed to feel lukewarm or meh about something. You like [character/storyline/ship/whatever] you better really fucking like it (vocally) and be ready to defend it to the death. Otherwise, STFU and sit the hell down. Which, no, children. That's not the way fandom was raised. There's room on the internet for everyone.
Yeah, there are always gonna be haters. And I hate to even say it, but you have to be aware and protect yourself. (Which is not to say that if you get hated on it's your fault, of course not).
Sadly, it generally ends up being the sweethearts that get fucked over in it all because they're silly enough to expect people to behave in a semi-decent manner. The wanky wankers OTOH thrive on the drama and everywhere porn goes unwritten.
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Date: 2009-07-16 07:41 am (UTC)You should probably mail this to every new fangirl on the internet.
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Date: 2009-07-16 11:24 am (UTC)Fandom really does need an introductory course. I hate to see nice people getting fucked by wank. *sigh*
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Date: 2009-07-16 11:40 am (UTC)And...the JKR vs. H/H shippers comment...completely made me laugh. *still wags her H/H flag* What? I separate fanon from canon all the time? It's not like I have this horrible Nyeh nyeh nyeeeeh not listening to yooooou. thing. ;)
Elizah dear, was it you I owed the JDM icons to?
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Date: 2009-07-18 03:02 am (UTC)Oh, man. I'm not even saying all shippers are crazy, but when that shit dropped I thought the internet might implode.
I separate fanon from canon all the time?
This would be the key in, y'know, not being crazy.
Maybe? I wouldn't say no...
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Date: 2009-07-18 03:04 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-07-16 02:16 pm (UTC)1) you are right.
2) you are awesome.
3) goddammit, now I miss yahoogroups...something I never, ever thought I would feel, ever again. but yeah...the daily aggregate email, with like,FIVE WHOLE FANFICTIONS just listed out, waiting for you to read. livejournal, you are a lot of fucking work.
4) hahahahaha, BNFs. I'm sorry I just...every "BNF" I've ever met has just turned out to be someone who loves alcohol as much as I do. I think I've just been lucky so far.
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Date: 2009-07-18 03:09 am (UTC)1) Thank you!!
2) I try.
3) INORITE? There was definitely something to be said for them.
4) AHAHAHAHA, so you know Kassie, then? Yeah. I've met a few IRL who were a little crazycakes, but overall, my experience with them has been pretty positive.
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Date: 2009-07-16 06:25 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-07-18 03:11 am (UTC)Hey, tell me all about WINCON! *g*
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Date: 2009-07-17 02:47 am (UTC)There is no non-wanky fandom. "What about fandom X?" you say? Just wait. It'll happen.
Oh, LORD yes. Back in the days of Farscape, all the crazy antics were confined to the screen, and we used to say, "It's not a fandom, it's a quilting bee." Aaaaaand...then it got canceled and everyone went insane, the end.
Listen to this woman, fangirls! She speaks truth!
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Date: 2009-07-18 03:22 am (UTC)But, really, SPN is a fun show.
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Date: 2009-07-18 03:30 am (UTC)But ... why would anybody else READ it?
Morbid curiosity? Ego? It's kind of like a train wreck. Really hard to look away once you've opened the link.
I mean, a large percent of it was the same old stuff that always gets wanked about. Ships, actors, storylines, fic, BNFs, etc. There were, however, some really vile personal attacks, which. Yeah. Bad fandom! You were raised better than that. Some things are just off limits. Period.
(Also, yay Highlander! The first fandom I hardcore lurked in. *wipes tear* Oh, the days...)
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Date: 2009-07-18 06:54 am (UTC)Ahem. I wonder if it is true that the world just contains wankers, who sniff out fun, where ever and when ever, like truffle pigs because they are genetically designed to root out fun and oink loudly? And form committees?
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Date: 2009-07-20 02:21 am (UTC)IDK. It doesn't seem like an entirely unsound theory...
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Date: 2009-07-18 07:04 am (UTC)we had to do it by banging rocks together!
Damn kids, get off my lawn!!
Do not waste your time hating them. It will not affect them in any way. They will continue to be popular and you'll look like a wanker.
Don't poke the crazy screechy monkeys with a pointy stick (http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/004739.html).
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Date: 2009-07-20 02:28 am (UTC)Or something. That link FTW!!
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Date: 2009-07-18 02:27 pm (UTC)Thusly: as a new internet-ing fangirl? TY very much for this. I'm officially on guard, even if I'm not specifically sure what to guard for.
Hell, I'm just gonna guard for everything. Who Goes There??
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Date: 2009-07-20 02:39 am (UTC)Thusly: as a new internet-ing fangirl? TY very much for this.
You're welcome!
I'm officially on guard, even if I'm not specifically sure what to guard for.
Well, it's a fine line to walk, because I don't want to be all, "Don't trust people!" because I'm quite honestly not the type of person to assume the worst in people ever, which gets me in trouble. So I guess, be aware that people might not always be as nice as they seem? Which sucks to say, but can save you a lot of heartache down the fannish road.
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Date: 2009-07-18 03:47 pm (UTC)And where was I, dammit?
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Date: 2009-07-20 02:09 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2009-07-19 03:25 pm (UTC)Sockpuppets are as old as the Internet. In fact, a couple of them used to spoof other people's names/mail addys and wank as their targets on USENET. Very disturbing.
Anon > impostor. As for the rest of the post, making your own fun, taking the good and leaving the bad is always good advice and particularly easy on LJ. In the days of mailing lists, you had little choice about whom you interacted with, now you can cave up with a few BFFs and have a party every day if you want.
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Date: 2009-07-20 02:07 am (UTC)However, I do think there is a difference in the dedicated level of crazy that sock puppets take, and the easiness of logging out of your username and posting something truly vile about someone where they can't defend themselves and there are absolutely no repercussions. Honestly, I will never understand this type of behavior.
Exactly. I think fandom would be a lot happier place if everyone adopted a certain level of "live and let live".
days of mailing lists, you had little choice about whom you interacted with
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