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I have a very important word-usage question:

[Poll #1675791]

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In other news, I fear I may have eaten something yesterday that did not agree with me. I woke up with an upset tummy, which prevented me from having my coffee, which led to a headache. POOR POOR ME! I've had a couple cups of Irish Breakfast tea, though, which seems to be helping.

Confessions: I am horrible about commenting on art. I have no artistic talent whatsoever (like, I legitimately shouldn't be allowed to decorate things, I am so woefully unskilled), nor have I even taken so much as an art history class. I sort of view people who can do art as nothing short of magical because I don't understand it AT ALL. So I flap about all, "OMG LOOK! YOU MADE THAT!" with the same sort of awe that the little squeaky aliens in Toy Story have for the Claw.

Mostly rhetorical question: How many times can one rewatch that YED!John scene in Devil's Trap before his lack of respect for personal boundaries becomes something other than ridiculously hot?

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Date: 2011-02-01 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missyjack.livejournal.com
Image (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/missyjack/?action=view&current=002wk6ab.gif)

THIS WILL NEVER NOT BE RIDICULOUSLY HOT IT IS A FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF NATURE.

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Date: 2011-02-01 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
JFC, RIGHT THOUGH? I may have watched that a few times last night. And this morning. UNF!!

I wonder if that's where all the toppy!JDM fic comes from? Like, fangirls saw that and were like, "YES! JDM = TOPPING THE HELL OUT OF ALL THE THINGS!!! \o/"

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Date: 2011-02-01 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missyjack.livejournal.com
Oh I think so. Mind you unpossessed John Winchester pretty fucking toppy all along.

I am having nice thoughts about a battle for dominance between Robo! Sam and yed!John (and myabe using their cocks like light sabres).

also - I keep wodnering what went on in vancouver last night....

also - are you on twitter?

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Date: 2011-02-02 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
Oh, sure sure. It makes me think of that Cracked article (http://www.cracked.com/funny-112-supernatural/) which remains one of my favorite things ever. Specifically:

Not much is known about John Winchester's early background, but it is rumored that his father is the great god Poseidon. He also fought in Nam, and could have won it if he really wanted to, but he left after a while because it just wasn't his thing. In season four, it is revealed that although John was in Hell for a hundred years, he came out of it just fine (unlike that loser Angel). It is also implied that he impregnated several female demons while he was down there.


♥!!!!!

IDK, but with any luck a tape will eventually be released on the internet.

Yes! But I don't actually tweet that often. I just follow people like a creepy lurker.

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Date: 2011-02-02 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missyjack.livejournal.com
am I following you??? if not what's your name. I may feel the need to harrass you.

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Date: 2011-02-02 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
YOU ARE, ACTUALLY! *the plot thickens*

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Date: 2011-02-01 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] halfshellvenus.livejournal.com
I have never yet made it to that point, with YED!John. My first and always thought with that scene is, "Whooo! EvilBadDaddySexKink!"

Or... something. :0

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Date: 2011-02-02 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
That is an entirely reasonable response to have, IMO. *nods*

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Date: 2011-02-01 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laulan.livejournal.com
I don't actually really mind either. *shrug*

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Date: 2011-02-02 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
I don't either, but I started wondering if there was a consensus on which to use for the genre. Faerie seems more popular, but IDK.

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Date: 2011-02-01 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maichan.livejournal.com
Regarding commenting on art, I'm sure artists appreciate ANY comments, even incoherent flaily ones. You don't need a background in art history to know if a piece speaks to you.

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Date: 2011-02-02 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
Hee! Oh, totally. I just always wish I could say something articulate beyond, "Oh I like!!! \o/" It feels so inadequate!

I have the same problem with music to a lesser extent. I have a lot of trouble saying *what* about a song/artist/album strikes me. It's a little frustrating.

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Date: 2011-02-01 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-sally.livejournal.com
Do you mean to imply that a first time watcher wouldn't find JDM's lack of respect for personal boundaries hot? Because believe me, they do.

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Date: 2011-02-02 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
LOL, not at all!!! Just wondering if it ever gets less hot. Answer: NO! It is ALWAYS HOT!! *grins*

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Date: 2011-02-02 12:58 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] dybji.livejournal.com
For a while I liked faerie, because it was funky-looking and also because, well, "fairy" has unfortunate semi-offensive secondary connotations.

But then apparently every YA/fantasy book in the universe agreed that it was "faerie" and now it's stopped looking artsy to me and just looks pretentious. Also, Shakespeare decided Oberon was a fairy with an i and that is good enough for me. <--

ALL MY FRIENDS IN HIGH SCHOOL COULD DRAW it was really demoralizing. I mean, awesome also, but mostly demoralizing.

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Date: 2011-02-02 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourkidney.livejournal.com
I agree with you about the "pretentiousness" of faerie. I also used to like it, but then I realized not many writers could live up to the dark, eerie storytelling that word implied.

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Date: 2011-02-02 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
Hmmm, so do you think that your answer would change depending on the tone of the story? Like, faerie for a darker sort of tale and fairy for something more fun/lighthearted?

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Date: 2011-02-02 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
LOL, I can't argue with your Shakespeare reasoning! I wonder if it does just come down to aesthetics.

I remember having a friend in elementary school who was an amazing artist and I was terribly jealous! It totally seems like a magical talent to me (as does composing music - that completely amazes me!).

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Date: 2011-02-02 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourkidney.livejournal.com
I actually prefer "fairy," strangely enough. It's weird. I feel that the culture that Supernatural exists in and interacts with is just a large-scale American folk story, so it stands to reason that if a story is set in this American story, its components should have Americanized meanings. "Fairy" is the common spelling in American English; any Fairies in America would have taken on traits of the American supernatural, no matter their origin.

^That doesn't make sense. Haha sorry.

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Date: 2011-02-02 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
No, that totally makes sense as a cultural thing. I like that idea.

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Date: 2011-02-02 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serialkarma.livejournal.com
Dean, did you service Oberon, king of the________?

Ahahaha, that story was hot. *facepalm*

For upset stomachs, of whatever variety, I cannot recommend highly enough ginger--real ginger, not ginger ale, but in tea form or whatever. It helps EVERYTHING.

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Date: 2011-02-02 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
Hee! Poor Dean. I totally have that moment of thinking, "He should always be servicing someone..."

*nods* I usually at least have a little candied ginger on hand. IDEK why I didn't try that today. *sigh*

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Date: 2011-02-02 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beadslut.livejournal.com
there's always "Fae" if you would prefer that?

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Date: 2011-02-02 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
I like it in addition to, but not necessarily in place of, if that makes sense?

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Date: 2011-02-02 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] locknkey.livejournal.com
I prefer Fae. *shrugs* Probably because in published fic, fantasy is my choice of genre and Fae implies all the fairy kingdom, where the others sound like tiny winged creatures that flit around. Fae seems more formal and seems to cover a wider range of Faerie. YMMV.

As an artist - flaily alien/Claw worship is awesome!

Edited Date: 2011-02-02 02:11 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-02-02 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
But does it totally replace the word Faerie in all its contexts? I haven't read a wide range of fantasy, so I'm curious as to how people do it (in published fiction).

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Date: 2011-02-06 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] locknkey.livejournal.com
Here is an entry from Wikipedia that has some useful information and quotes from some of the major literary sources, including contextual quotes with various spellings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy

Interestingly enough it doesn't mention that Tolkien also used Elves/Elf as fairy designation. Elf instead of fairy/faerie is pretty common from other writers as well.

Several books I own also use Sidhe, seelie/unseelie, which was not mentioned in in other sources, but I've some across

here is an entry that has several references to how the Fae/Fey might be called depending on what cultural background the author wanted their origin story to emulate - Celtic use of terms varies from the Germanic.

http://www.answers.com/topic/fairy

I wrote a SPN fae fic and I'm doing an OF that also features fairies so I've done quite a bit of research. :)

For the fan!fic I used mostly Celtic mythology base and the fable that the Fae were actually at one time fallen angels. :)

I'm still world building on the OF, but will probably do a blend of Fae using Celtic terminology and that they were the first people - all humanity and other creatures were originally Fae (a sort of bastardization of the Adam/Eve creation myth).

:) Probably more than you wanted to know.

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Date: 2011-02-02 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dodger-sister.livejournal.com
Answer: 112,783 times. Try it and see.

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Date: 2011-02-03 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
Lol! In a row or overall?

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Date: 2011-02-04 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dodger-sister.livejournal.com
Overall. If you were doing it in a row, you'd have to break it up with the behind-the-scenes outtake of JDM saying, "I'm so sorry, you peoples," and Jensen answering, "I don't believe you, dad." Just to change things up a little. Also, you'd have to stop to eat and pee, I suppose. ;)

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Date: 2011-02-02 10:37 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] beelikej.livejournal.com
As English is not my native language, neither fairy nor faerie has any meaning to me, but the latter does have a more magical feel to it.

I'm with [livejournal.com profile] maichan808 on the artist issue and I hope you at least leave squee if you see something you like;)

Hmmm, it's time I try watching that Supernatural series everybody is squeeing about. That YED gif is intriguing.

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Date: 2011-02-03 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
Yeah, it seems like a large part of the appeal is the aesthetics of the word.

Well, I'm trying to get better about feedback in general, but my point was less about leaving it so much as wishing I had something smarter to say when I do. I have a difficult time in general articulating why I like something, which is very very frustrating for me, even more so when I have absolutely no frame of reference for it.

It is definitely a scene worth watching. Mmmmmm, JDM! ;D

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Date: 2011-02-02 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evitably.livejournal.com
From the fantasy I've noticed a preference to avoid 'fairy' unless you were talking about female fairies. 'Faerie' is somewhat more unisex, but as a species I have a preference for 'fae'.

I don't have any knowledge in art either, but I try to point out what I like and what's caught my eye.

Regarding your rhetorical question: never. And yet I'm partial for the way Dean ignores Alastair's personal space in "On the Head of a Pin".

(Hello! *waves*)

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Date: 2011-02-03 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errant-jane.livejournal.com
Oh! I hadn't even thought about it as a gendered thing, but that totally makes sense! A couple people have said that now, but it seems to me I've only seen "fae" in conjunction with "faerie" and not as an out-and-out replacement.

*nods* My problem comes from the fact that with visual art (and sometimes music) I have no idea what that something actually is. Like, I can look at something and say, "OMG, I love this!" but I couldn't begin to tell you why. And I understand it if someone points it out, "blah blah blah the colors and shading here" or whatever, but I have absolutely no context to do that on my own. It's a silly thing, and I'm trying to be better about leaving comments on art, even if it's just, "I like this!" I just wish I had something more to say! (Comment anxiety ahhhhhhhhhhhh! *g*)

Ohhhh, yes! Dean so rarely gets to be on the other side of the personal-space-ignoring-menace side of the fence!!! It's sort of ridiculously hot.

Hi!! :D

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Date: 2011-02-04 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evitably.livejournal.com
I think that the difference between 'fae' and 'faerie' is something like 'I'm human' and 'I'm a person'. Adding my voice to somebody above that said that 'fairy' has some offensive connotations, and if the genre you're writing is slash, you might want to take that into consideration.

I'm sure artists would be happy with a simple 'OMG, I love this!' without any further details! I always read through some of the previous comments to see if there are any terms I'd like to use, but even when I don't I say things like 'I like X's expression' or 'I like how you did the denim' or 'the background is gorgeous'. I understand you on comment anxiety though - lurking is a hard habit to stop!

Yes, it is! Not even 'sort of' for me, it just is! He also does it to Sam sometimes - less menacingly than Alastair, of course - and then I have this biggest smile on my face!

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Date: 2011-02-04 02:43 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shakespearsgrl2.livejournal.com
The fairy/faerie thing is mostly personal choice, in my opinion. They mean the same thing, and are both correct spellings, so whatever.

Usually I prefer the version "fairy" myself, but if you're using the word "fae" at all, I sort of expect you to use "faerie" instead. So I would say, this is a thing where you have to go by contextual wording. Also, I would expect to see "faerie" if you also use "sidhe." Meh. See the grammar nazi? I try to keep her contained, but sometimes when I turn my back, she escapes.

And since when is JDM ever un-hot?

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